Lördag ISES

Stora tjocka belgian blue-kossorna orkade inte upp i dag. I går satt en av dem. Bussen tar oss lantliga vägar. På dessa stadsliknande rondeller med dekoration, en av dem en märklig kanin.


Första dagen av Global Dressage Forum, och lite mer folk i montrarna. Fortfarande inte testat stolen och tygelhållningsmätaren, verkar inte var någon där. Ny app samlar statistik som hjälper till att bli bättre dressyrryttare, domare och coach. Visar svagheter i tabeller och diagram.


Camien Heleski, on science in general - horse taught to walk over tarpaulin learned quicker with positive reinforcement, also could do it better after 18 months. 


Workshop - police horses in training and HR monitoring both horse and rider.


Workshop - big brother is watching you, HR med video och beteendediagram, bild för bild, mäta vinklar, exvis huvud-hals, variability, estimate workloads.


Workshop - saddle and leg pressure measurement with diagram.


Paneldebatt med Kyra K, Rob Ehrens Dutch SJ coach, Camien Heleski, Jodie Hartstone NZ dressage rider. Vad de tyckte var mest givande av olika workshops:

Kyra - police horse and HR monitoring, we have a major issue with dressage horses not being able to go into the prize ceremony. We have to be able to remember why we are riding dressage, originally a war horse that you could use to kill your enemy.

Camie - the level of synchronisation new to me (big brother-workshop), hoping be able to go back with one of my older videos and get out more of it.

Jodie - police work, how they habituate horses/Andrew on HR raised when horse does not show flight or nervousness, know the last bit is still to do.

Rob - SJ go already to a lot of shows when young, I get a lot out of the HR measurements.

Jodie - happy athlete, HR, the calm young bay police horse was switching off, had a poor stop response, not a natural posture so low.

Kyra - horses are masters in compensation, I did not see a happy horse there either.

Camie - relationship between context specific learned helplessness and  other behaviour.

Andrew - we do not see the early signs as in humans (of learned helplessness), but has not been as looked into yet.

Rob - bay horse totally demotivated. HR, we can measure so many things, but not feeling.

Lesley xx Australia - if a horse does not show behaviour but has a high HR would be a first step towards learned helplessness.

Is learned helplessness all bad? 

Paul McGreevy - animal model of learned helplessness is a model of depression.


Should we be thinking more of functionality of every individual? In the old academic school they look at the nose and the vertical from functionality, in shoulder-in you sometimes have to sit differently on different horses.

Kyra - as long as I know what I am doing, but dangerous to say that the leg has to be there or there and the hand has to be there or there, you sit on a moving object.

Andrew - we need to be looking at the whole animal and not be too technical. The seat is quite a blurry signal, we put saddle pads and do quite a lot to make it blurry.

Kyra - seat is very important because it influences the balance of the horse all the time, but I do not think it is a signal, more like a passive aid. If you move your seatbones forward to move the horse, he is not going to move. You dull your horse by not sitting straight, so a good aid is to sit straight.

Jan Ladewig - just a slight change in your gravity can be a very clear signal. SJ riders focus on the next jump.

Rob - slight different position than dressage, but really important to sit right over.

 - sitting differently if it is a long distance or short can be used as a signal to the horse that it is going to be a long or a short distance between fences.

 - equipment gives us some clarity.

 - keep the signal until the contact is broken.

 - other sports use every device they can get to measure and try to get better.


Andrew McLean, learning principles - operant condition/go, turn hind, turn fore, stop; all by pressure through to classical condition via light pressure aids, other aids seat position, movements sholuder-in, travers, halv-pass etc. 

Operant aids/pressure, release, up/down gaits, faster/slower, longer/shorter, turning of forelegs, turning of hindlegs. 

Training principles, shaping scale that link 1. Basic attempt, 2. Obedience/immediate response from light aid, 3. Speed control, 4. Line control, 5. Outline, 6. Generalisation/in any environment. Only one response per signal, what are the primary rein responses? What are the primary leg responses? 7. Achieving all of the above in different environments.

To form a habit, a learned response must be an exact copy of the ones before, in a short time frame, so the same duration is needed.

Train persistence of responses/self-carriage, go on his own.

Avoid and dissociate flight responses (because they are not subject to extinction) do not know the threshold yet, why we should not do it.

Benchmark relaxation, to ensure the absence of conflict. Habituate well beyond habituation.


Kyra, clinic with two riders - if rider cannot sit independently so can use one aid at a time, impossible to use the leg if you are squeezing to stay in the saddle. When you try to push yourself down, it is hard to let loose of the pressure in the mouth, if you are water-skiing. 

When you have the horse in a frame you can even perform a piaffe without reins. He seems to like to rest in the hand, but will then be very short in the end. Sit on a cushion instead of force yourself down. On a film you can se how much you actually get out of the saddle.


Both girls, think more of how the horse is coming down and use the leg more there, let them pump you up. Can the rider ride a shorter step or a longer step? Decide which is best for you, if lazy may have to take quicker, shorter steps. Analyse and remember what you are doing. Do not do half passage, go forward. If he is running away, stop him with the rein and let him go again. Play with that outline and how much he is carrying himself again. Let your body bump between your elbows, because there is a movement and you cannot absorb it if you squeeze all the time. The problem is that he is not carrying himself, not only that he does not go forward, so you have to address the carriage first.

If you have too straight a knee and push the heel down, you cannot sit around him, he is like a barrel.


Andrew presenting a lady to come and do a demo that gives us some glimpses of possibility in the future; cannot sit back and look at what we do, must go on - GP-rörelser i full tävlingsmundering, men med bettlöst huvudlag i stället för kandar. 

Kyra - have seen it done before, when the horse is properly collected you can do it. Interesting with him is that he was chewing. 

Hilary Clayton - this was not a ride without a lot of tension over the reins and nose, going bitless is not the answer to everything.  

Mentioned rythm, Kyra - as I said, he was tense, running away from her, so tense, but that happens with bits, too. Is she training bitless or some of it done in a bridle?

Once a week bitless since three weeks only, the rest in a simple snaffle, double only competitions. 


Closer to her horses, more together with him. Why not? 

Paul - any wear across the nose?

No, had the headcollar specially made as soft as possible plus puts it quite high up on the nose. Gets much more relaxed much faster than in bridle. 

Jody - do other riders think you are mad?

They call her the artist in France. (Översättare hjälpte till, ryttaren talade ej engelska.)

Jan L till Kyra, how do you know the chewing is submissive behaviour and not stressful?

Kyra: to me it is more like a foal being submissive to mother. 

Hilary C: I do not think we should be opposed to the bit per se, I am not agianst the bit, I am not against the noseband. Any equipment can be dangerous. 

Kyra: she is a good rider, but put a beginner up and we are going to have another bad accident.



Paul McGreevy till Kyra, you asked the riders how they interpreted your instructions, like to know what you meant with self-carriage. 

Kyra: horses too strong in the hand, but had to get them to sit right first, you can only work on one thing at a time. 

Till Rob, som haft uppsutten hoppträningsclinic tillsammans med sin son, distinguishing playing with the reins, does the horse distinguish playing or pulling? 

Rob: if you can get the head a little bit moving, if I had been at home I would have gone back to walk, relax your hand moving left and right. First we have the brain (rider), we have to give it.

Natalie till Kyra, enjoyed the approach your focus on both the horse and the rider so obviously, that sort of flexibility is what I like to see. Interesting you said riders spend so much time riding on their own, have to learn to feel when it is wrong and right, word way of teaching is as good as seeing? 

Kyra: if you have tasted strawberry jam you know what it is like, when I say it is good does not mean it is perfect, but can give the right feeling, a real schoolmaster can give the rider the right feel. Imke got a good feeling on a horse at Flyinge and she still compares to that feeling when she tries a horse 15 years later. My feel on a horse goes much back to Matador, my best one, when it is good he feels like Matador. The collection starts when the horse collects his body, the collection of the legs is something else. 


Rob: the importance of relaxation, also the clarity gave the sense of relaxation, we could see on HR monitor. Stress is both positive and negative, sometime concentrating on negative, as horses get high HR when given food etc. Rob, agree. Optimum stress level that athletes need to keep them going. 

Camie: the opening of the mouth the bitless horse did I found different from the foals. 

Kyra: go into the arena and just let my body feel what is happening, school the horses in lower classes. (jaha, lite olika frågor och svar i ett)

Rob: do not do anything else at a show than what you do at home, if you do not take the horse out 15 times a day to walk, do not do it at a show.